For this blog post, please:
1) Choose 3 challenging words/new words for you and define them.
2) Ask (3) questions from the chapter that you'd really like answered.
3) Write a response, choosing a line and explaining it's significance to you. Please remember: no plot re-cap! Share your analysis, make connections to the world, ask questions, discuss imagery, and deepen your thinking.
inexpert-lack of experience,skill or knowledge
ReplyDeleteleapt-jump or spring a long way
blundered-a stupid or careless mistake
1)Why is Ralph so mean to Piggy?
2)Is the beast all of them or just an individual?
3)How did they take it to the level of straight up laying out one of they own???
“There isn’t anyone to help you. Only me. And I’m the Beast. . . . Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill! . . . You knew, didn’t you? I’m part of you? Close, close, close! I’m the reason why it’s no go? Why things are the way they are?”
“There isn’t anyone to help you. Only me. And I’m the Beast. . . . Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill! . . . You knew, didn’t you? I’m part of you? Close, close, close! I’m the reason why it’s no go? Why things are the way they are?”(143).
The Lord of the Flies speaks these lines to Simon in Chapter 8, during Simon’s vision in the glade. These words confirm Simon’s speculation in Chapter 5 that perhaps the beast is only the boys themselves. This idea of the evil on the island being within the boys is central to the novel’s exploration of innate human savagery. The Lord of the Flies identifies itself as the beast and acknowledges to Simon that it exists within all human beings: “You knew, didn’t you? I’m part of you?” The creature’s grotesque language and bizarre appropriation of the boys’ slang (“I’m the reason why it’s no go”) makes the creature appear even more hideous and devilish, for he taunts Simon with the same colloquial, familiar language the boys use themselves. Simon, startled by his discovery, tries to convey it to the rest of the boys, but the evil and savagery within them boils to the surface, as they mistake him for the beast itself, set upon him, and kill him.
1) derisive- expressing contempt or ridicule.
ReplyDeletecynicism- An attitude of scornful or negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others.
demoniac- Possessed, produced, or influenced by a demon.
2) - How that they group has split into two how will that effect they way everyone gets off the island?
- Do you think the groups will stay separate or eventually rejoin?
- Will Simon tell the others about his encounter with the beast? If so, ill they believe him?
3- "He's like Piggy. He says things like Piggy. He isn't a proper chief...He's a coward himself"(126) Jack is officially done with Ralph. He expresses his anger towards him, even comparing him to Piggy. Throughout our discussions in class, we have labeled Jack as the "bad guy" but is he really the bad one? Ralph is supposed to take leadership and show the others that he can be in charge, but from the way things have been going throughout the entire book, he doesn't seem so leader-like. Jack is finally taking control on behalf of the group and saying that he should in fact be the new leader because Ralph is a coward. The definition of a coward is a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things. To me, that sounds exactly like Ralph. Jack is the one willing to hunt and explore, while Ralph stays behind and looks over the group, while calling himself a leader. He is more of a babysitter than a leader. When I was younger and had a babysitter she didn't rule over me and my brother, she just was there to look after us and to make sure we were okay, that's exactly what Ralph is doing. Although Ralph is enforcing rules, they aren't be obeyed by the boys, so maybe it is time for a new leader.
Emma I agree with a lot of your points, but I think it is absolutely necessary for the group to have a leader like Ralph who takes his time thinking things out and is extremely rational. Jack on the other hand thinks very little for the benefit of the group (every time he want to go hunting its not to keep the group from starving but to gain status) he also is unable to plan ahead. I think that all of the boys are scared by I don't think that Ralph is a coward (or at least more of a cowered then Jack). From Ralph's rational point of view, hunting is dangerous and unnecessary because they have other food (meat is merely a luxury). So he isn't being cowardly by not doing it only rational.
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b) Lodgment- bringing a charge or accusation against someone.
c) Cynicism- An attitude of scornful or jaded negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others.
2.
a) Is the immense pleasure the boys receive from killing pigs (besides glad they will not go hungry) represent something about them as people morally/ethically?
b) Would this same beast scare them to the same degree at home where they have a sense of security?
c) Do all the boys fears stem from one greater fear; the unknown?
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I think the character trait shifts that Jack has undergone throughout the book pull away at the strong façade he has put up. What is left is a scared boy trapped on an island, desperate for the same status and respect he received at home. “Slowly the red drained from Jacks checks, then came back with a painful rush” (page 127). Time and time again Jack has expected to be elected leader and each time he has failed. I think that the island strips away all the artificial and materialistic qualities that we judge people by in our society. This can be traced back all the way to the beginning of the book, when all the children were intimidated by Jack and the boys that obeyed his every command, all dressed the same. This created a sense of unity and at that time it may have seemed appealing to many of the boys who were “lost”. The fact that when he lost his status and all the things he used to mask his actual leadership capabilities he wins over no one; in fact many of the boys dislike him. This shows how heavily material qualities are measured in society and how we weight them more then personality and merit despite what we would like to believe.
Lily Cook
ReplyDeleteAberration: A noun that means deviation from a right, customary, or prescribed course.
Dictum: A noun, that means a positive statement or opinion.
Usurp: A verb that that means to take possession of by force.
Questions:
1.) Why, after Jack and Ralph just seemed friendly again in Chapter 7, is Jack trying to remove Ralph from his position of power?
2.) Why would Simon make the suggestion to continue to look for the beast after it seemed like he didn't believe in the beast?
3.) Will the group ever formally become whole again, and was it ever unified in the first place?
The part that stood out to me was when the pig's head said to Simon, "I’m part of you? Close, close, close! I’m the reason why it’s no go? Why things are the way they are?”. I find it hard to completely analyze the entire meaning of this whole part of the chapter, but focusing more specifically on the language that the pig used when speaking to Simon is what was significant to me. This is because he spoke like the kids on the island, which further pushed Simon to believe that the evil lies within the kids, which is important.
Lily, I agree with your analysis but I think that this quote means more than that. I believe that this pig talking is all in Simon's head. So, maybe it is Simon second guessing his thoughts about the kids, the island, etc.? Or maybe Simon believes that HE IS the beast? Or that there is a beast inside of him? I don't know, but, either way, I believe that there is way more to this than just the language of the pig. Good job though.
DeleteRebuke: To express stern disapproval
ReplyDeleteDerisive: To express mockery
Grimace: An ugly facial expression
Will the other boys eventually see the beast that Simon saw?
Will Ralph and Jack reunite because of the beast?
Does the title of the chapter, "Gift from the Darkness", tie into the beast?
"Fancy thinking the Beast is something you could hunt and kill!"(143). I was interested by this part in the book. I did not know what to think, but I found the lord of the flies disturbing. And what makes it more weird is that the monster seems to be with in the boys. I think the way the lord of the flies talked reflects on the boys. The creature seems crazed and nasty, this makes me think that the boys will soon start acting more like the beast. And I think that by Jack and his group killing the pig, they are entering this descend into beasts.
1) -Cynicism: a cynical feeling of distrust. Cynical: Believing that people are motivated by self-interest.
ReplyDelete-Demonic: Resembling, or characteristic of demons or evil spirits.
-Jeering: Make rude and mocking remarks, typically in a loud voice.
2)-What does the pig's head signify?
-Will Ralph's "tribe" end up like Jack's by the end of this book?
-In the beginning of this unit, we tried to analysis the meaning of "Lord of the Flies", but, after reading this chapter, does the title have a new meaning now?
3)"You'd better run off and play with the others. They think you're batty. You don't want Ralph to think you're batty, do you? You like Ralph a lot, don't you? And Piggy, and Jack?" (143).
This quote is very interesting because it seems as though The Lord of the Flies is Simon's conscious. I think that this shows how Simon really feels about this whole situation. It is significant because you don't hear the reality of their feelings anymore, its just all lies and deceits now. This thing also uses specific words/phrases that make Simon second guess himself, like "don't you?" or "do you?". These questions make Simon ask himself, is this what I really want? The thing is a personal antagonist, in a way, because it tries to get Simon to conflict himself with his own thoughts. It was interesting that the thing picked out only three names of the whole bunch of kids, which were: Ralph, Jack, and Piggy. This is significant because Ralph represents civilization, Jack represents savagery, and Piggy represents innocence/intelligence. So to have all these people said in this quote is HUGE. This quote is just a whole bunch of contradictions. Before I end this post, I have a question... What does it mean by batty?
1) Derisive: expressing contempt or ridicule
ReplyDeleteLodgement: bringing a charge or accusation against someone
Usurp: to take possession by force
2) Does the beast, aka the pig's head, represent the same thing to Simon as to the rest of them?
In what way is the separation of the peaceful and the violent significant?
How will Jack and Ralph's inevitable face-off occur?
3) "There isn't anyone to help you. Only me. And I'm the Beast...Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill!...You knew, didn't you? I'm a part of you?" (143). The Beast represents something else to each kid on the island. They are all facing an internal struggle, and they are all scared. In order to avoid having to face this fear, they use it to create this "Beast," that they claim is the real reason they are scared. To me, the real reason seems to be the fact they the reality of not being rescued is gradually settling in on everyone, and the pressure of having to create a working society for them to live in is just too much to deal with. The pig, which is merely Simon's imagination communicating with him, talks about how the kids thought that the Beast was "something you could hunt and kill." The pig says this sarcastically, implying that the Beast is something that they can neither hunt nor kill. To me, this means that the Beast is an idea inside all of them-an outlet for their fear and frustration. I also think that deep down, all of the kids know this, that the Beast is inside all of them. This knowledge is what drives the anger that has recently torn the group apart.
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ReplyDeletea) Vex: To make someone feel annoyed, frustrated, or worried
b) Usurp: To take possession by force
c) Contemptuous: Showing contempt; to be scornful
2)
a) Even though Ralph is becoming more like Jack, in a negative way, the boys do not take away his leadership position. Why?
b) Why is the killing of the sow so significant?
c) Why is Piggy the only one surprised that the hunters and Ralph saw the monster?
3) “"There isn’t anyone to help you. Only me. And I’m the Beast. . . . Fancy thinking the Beast was something you could hunt and kill! . . . You knew, didn’t you? I’m part of you?""
This stood out to me, because it proves that Simon right to say that they (the boys) are the beasts. Simon tries to tell the rest of the boys his discovery about the beast but he is so terrified and troubled by the confrontation, Simon collapses and faints. The faint suggests that this knowledge about the boys being the beasts is too much to handle. Golding is saying that humans are born with an evil inside of us, hidden until it is needed. The boys need this evil in order to survive on the island, and there is nothing they can do to stop it.
1) serenading- it means to sing to someone
ReplyDeleteinexpertly- unskilled or the opisite of an expert
jeering- to make fun of someone and taunt them
2) - why would the older kids and the hunters run away with Jack?
- Why would Jack want to feed this "monster/beast"?
- Who is the "Lord of the flies"?
3) "Simon's head wobbled. His eyes were half closed as though he were imitating the obscene thing on the stick. He knew that one of his times was coming on. The Lord of the flies was expanding like a ballon."
Is Simon crazy, does he have something wrong with him? He is hearing voices from this thing inside of him. Has this thing been happening while he has been on the Island so far, it's just that the author doesn't want to mention it. I wonder if when Simon lived at home before this plane crash, this innner person or opinion would bother him and he would experience what he is experiencing now.
-Marcello Brattesani
I agree with you that Simon might be crazy, I didn't get that either. Maybe it is the homesickness that you say. But I think another main point, is just savage in general. And I think to your second question, Jack was trying to lay out bait for it.
Deleteblundered-a careless mistake
ReplyDeletederisive- to express contempt ( one of our vocab words!!!!) or ridicule.
Fervor- Intense and passionate feeling.
1. Why would Simon want to continue the search for the beast after he thought the beast might not be real or that it is within each of us?
2. Do you think the Jack’s tribe and Ralph’s tribe will ever re-unite?
3. Will Piggy continue being so nice to Ralph when he gets none in return?
Simon is the first boy to find the offering from Jacks tribe, to the beast. He had originally left Ralph and the other boys, because he was trying to run away from reality. By finding the pig head swarmed by flies, which resembles the beast, Simon ironically ran straight into the truth. Simon had been the first boy to question if the beast was a living thing, or something inside of us. Simon is now the first boy to meet the beast, and understand what it resembles. He has to come to terms with the harsh reality, that the beast is with in all of us. “ Simon found he was looking into a vast mouth. There was a blackness within a blackness that spread.” (pg.144). Golding used the word “spreading” to demonstrate how Simon realizes that the beast is inside everyone. Trying to understand how the same lust and violence the beast has can live within him self and close friends like Ralph is to overwhelming for Simon. Simon and the rest of the boys don’t have the insight or life experience to digest this information, and that’s why he faints.
Riddance (124): To get rid of something that is troublesome.
ReplyDeleteRebuke (128): To express a sharp disapproval or criticism.
Skewer (137): Fasten together.
- Is the Lord of the Flies just Simon’s imagination?
- Will Ralph decide to give Piggy the position of being the leader?
- Will Jack continue to attack Ralph’s group?
“Ralph pushed the idiot hair out of his eyes and looked at Piggy” (141).
I think that this quote is significant because it clearly exhibits Ralph’s change in character. In the beginning of the book, his hair is described as “fair,” but now Golding uses the word “idiot,” which shows that Ralph is no longer as confident as he used to be. In addition, I think that Ralph looks at Piggy because he wants to be assured of his views, whereas before he stated his ideas and would feel confident about them. I wonder if Ralph is turning into a weaker link because he doesn’t want to have the position of being a leader anymore.
Obscene:Outrageous;Offensive to some standard.
ReplyDeleteSolemnly:Gloomy,or very earnest.
Illusive: A illusion.
Was the pig,the "beast" the boys all been afraid of?
Why a pig of all the animals out there,did Golding pick this one?
Is the group going to become more separate after hearing Simon's tale on the beast?
When Golding wrote,"After the many brilliant speeches that had been made on this very spot Ralph's remarks seemed lame,even to the littleuns."(142)This is another piece of evidence of Ralph questioning his leadership.It seems that Ralph little by little is losing hope of being rescued and the many things he supported in the beginning.This also might be foreshadowing how the other boys might also start questioning his leadership. Because the quote said,"Even to the littleuns."It sounded lame, is important because younger children are more easily influence,and if they start questioning his authority,the older ones will most definitely,thus Ralph losing power.
Good point, Diana. I also agree that Ralph is in the midst of losing his leadership and his control of the littluns to Jack. This is mainly because jack has instilled this fear of the beast in the littluns, and then by offering to kill the beast makes himself look out to be a hero, which gains the allegiance of the littluns. It also has to do with Ralph's overall demeanor. Throughout the last couple chapters he has seemed depressed, which in turn has affected his leadership abilities. Although they still haven't gotten off the island if they want any chance in getting off, Ralph is going to have to stay positive.
DeleteUsurp: to take possession by force
ReplyDeleteDerisive: expressing contempt or ridicule.
Rebuke: to express a sharp disapproval or criticism.
-I am curious to see if the meaning of the pig's head being the lord of the flies means that their hunting represents evil
-Will the groups go to war?
-Did Simon really see and hear what he thinks he did, or was it his imagination?
"'And another thing. We shan't dream so much down here"' (133). Does this mean that the boys are accepting a fate that they will remain on the island and not be rescued? Are they giving up a hope of rescue because they see it as pointless and energy-draining? I think that while they must accept the very plausible reality that they may never be rescued, it is far too negative to think of that idea as simply a dream. They need to be able to have hope, as hope may be the only thing keeping them from reaching complete anarchy and animalism, seeing as they are already well on their way there.
Rebuke: verb. to express sharp disapproval or criticism
ReplyDeleteFervor: noun. an intense or passionate feeling.
Usurp: verb. to take a position of power or importance, illegally or by force.
Could the division between Jack and Ralph become a war?
Is there significance in the fact that a female pig was killed in this chapter?
Does Piggy deserve recognition for all the help he has been providing to Ralph? Why hasn't he gotten it yet, if so?
The quote that made me think a lot this chapter was something that Simon says when the boys are discussing the concept of the beast. He says, “What I mean is . . . maybe it’s only us." I recognize that the straight forward idea that he had in mind was the fact that the beast is within them... that the only thing that could do harm to them is themselves. But after I read the chapter, I started to take an opposite approach... and think more about the idea of being saved rather than the idea of being in danger. To say, "maybe it's only else" made me think about complete isolation, from not only danger but also safety, and rescue. In a way, I think that being able to accept that the boys may never be saved is harder to understand that the boys are in harm's way. Because without the guarantee that they will be rescued, they don't have any motivations or things to keep them in perspective. I think it could make them crazy, actually. Knowing that they could be stuck here... forever.
Sorry.. I meant to write "maybe it's only us" the second time I mention the quote!
ReplyDeletedemoniac- Possessed, produced, or influenced by a demon.
ReplyDeleteRebuke- To express a sharp disapproval or criticism.
inexpertly- unskilled or the opisite of an expert
Questions: Even though Ralph has acknowledged Piggy as having brains in previous chapters, why won't he give praise or thanks to him? Is he scared of public opinion? Or does he just believe Piggy does not deserve it?
Why is it Roger that sees the pig talking? Is this significant?
The two opposing sides show two sides of humanity and how they can act, but how will this later force them to interact? Is there anything foreshadowing this?
While reading through this chapter I noticed that both Jack and Ralph, while fighting for power, have both given up on its joy or significance, but just believe it is needed to interact with the group. On 127, Jack starts to cry and feels humiliated after the refuse to elect him chief. Ralph, who we view as a polar opposite, also feels worn down as he says, " There's no help, Piggy. Nothing to be done" (128). Both boys, who started off very positive and unified, not have completely separated, showing how compromise is not working for the boys. On the other hang, Piggy, who has never been in a state of power seems to rejuvinate quickly and come up with new ideas. On this island the burden of power has driven both boys to a mental state of depression or insanity in mild cases. I believe Golding is saying something about a place of power here. Is power a good thing? Or does it just muddle your thoughts and ideas until you can't make decisions?
Sanctity: (noun) The state of being holy; something sacred
ReplyDeleteDerisive: (adj.) Expressing contempt
Fervor: (noun) Passionate feeling
-Why is the pig referred to as the Lord of the Flies?
-Was the pig speaking a halucination? Or is this this the fantasy element of the book coming out?
- Why does Jack decide to try to appease the beast? What is Golding saying about Jack?
I found the change in setting description in this chapter to be very interesting. In previous chapters, Golding used words such as "lush" and "vibrant" to describe the island, giving the reader the image of a sort of paradise. In this chapter, there was a clear shift in tone. Golding used words that alluded to darkness and mystery, very different in contrast to how the island was described before. When Simon returned to the clearing in which he enjoyed appreciating the nature, he found it to be different then when he had last gone. When he had been there previously, the "air had seemed to vibrate with heat; but now it threatened" (132). I wonder what the signifigance is of the setting description shift. Perhaps it is showing how the island is no longer at peace now that the boys have split into two groups. Perhaps Golding is foreshadowing danger that is to come?
Rebuke:(verb) To express a sharp disapproval or criticism.
ReplyDeleteUsurp:(verb) To take possession by force.
Derisive:(adjective) To express mockery.
Why would the hunters kill the sow in such a violent way?
Has Simon really gone mad?
Why hasn't anyone tried to find another way to make me fire?
"'The fire's the most important thing. Without the fire we can't get rescued. I'd like to put on war paint and be a savage. But we must keep the fire burning. The fire's the most important thing on the island, because, because-'"(142). Once again the importance of fire has come up, fire represents civilization and getting rescued, and every time the fire goes out it's like they're losing a piece of their civilized self. Which is really scary if you think about it, they're losing all of the morals that they were taught. If they ever are rescued, it's probably going to be very hard for them to re-adapt to society's norms.
1)cynicism: to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest
ReplyDeleteDerisive: expressing contempt or ridicule
Dictum: a formal pronouncement from an authoritative source
2) By the end of the story will all the boys besides Ralph and Piggy have sided with Jack?
Is the beast real, or was it just Simon's imagination
Will Ralph forfeit his leadership?
3)“There isn’t anyone to help you. Only me. And I’m the Beast..."
This quote really begins to bring to light the idea that maybe the beast is not a physical thing, but actually the savagery that exists in all human beings. Golding expands on the fact that people are born with the innate impulse to be evil because humans are naturally selfish and therefore only look out for their best interests. Furthermore, it almost seems that the boys are beginning to not only fear the beast, but also venerate it. The putting of the head on the stick is an offering to the beast, thus symbolizing an almost religious importance the beast now has in the boy's lives. This sets up for an interesting story to see where the boys lie their allegience later in the book.
cynicism: An attitude of scornful or jaded negativity.
ReplyDeleteRebuke: To express a sharp disapproval or criticism.
Dictum: a formal pronouncement from an authoritative source
Will the boys ever be rescued?
Why don't they just find spark rocks? I mean it is an island
"'You knew, didn't you? I'm part of you? Close, close, close! I'm the reason why it's no go? Why things are what they are?'" This is one of the many things "The beast" says to Simon. It was somewhat fun to me watching this mythological creature they all fear on this island speak to them in what i amuse is slang in England. "Why it's no go" Is the big line that made me realized that Simon like a lot of the island boys are having trouble coping with being away from home. He has this thing even though he fears it speak to him as a peer from his school or block rather then speaking to a monster.
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ReplyDelete1. derisive: contempt or ridicule.
ReplyDelete2. fervor: intense and passionate feeling
3. iridescent:shwoing luminous colors that seem to change when seen from a different angle
1. Will there be a war between the new divided groups?
2. What does the pig head on the stick represent?
3. Why do the boys continue to hallucinate on this island?
In this chapter the hallucinations continue, but instead happen to Simon. Simon is the quite timid boys who is afraid to speak out for himself. What's significant about him is that he is the problem solver, even though no one listens to him. In this chapter Simon decides to go back to the mountains, where they first saw the beast. When he arrives he finds the pig's head, which he refers to "mentally" as Lord of the Flies. The shocking part is when he first encounters the "lord": "'You are a silly little boy' said the Lord of the Flies, 'just an ignorant little boy'". (143). What’s the interesting thing is the way the "thing" bullies him, is this a representation of a boy in the group that does this to Simon? Furthermore, I feel the Lord of the Flies represents Simon's conscience and all of his insecurities. Now that Simon is drawn to him and can never leave him, does this foreshadow Simon becoming a strong outspoken leader? Is this figure of imagination going to do good or cause more harm?
Cynicism- a cynical feeling of distrust.
ReplyDeleteBlundered- Make such a mistake; act or speak clumsily
Jeering- Make rude and mocking remarks, typically in a loud voice
Why was Simone hallucinating?
Why did the others decide to side with Jack instead of Ralph?
What made Jack decide to separate himself from the group?
The quote that particularly stood out to me in this chapter was what the pig head, The Lord of the Flies, said to Simon. "I'm warning you. I'm going to get angry. D'you see? You're not wanted. Understand? We are going to have fun on this island. Understand? We are going to have fun on this island! So don't try it on, my poor misguided boy, or else-" This made me think about what he was saying. It wasn't making sense at first, but I think that it could be a foreshadowing about what is to come. He is warning Simon. But what really threw me off is when he says that they are going to have fun. I'm not sure if he meant that in a genuine way, a teasing way, or a cynical way. This is the one quote that really got me thinking. It could probably take so many different meanings that it is hard to interpretate.
1.Jeer- to distastefully mock someone
ReplyDeletesodden-lumpy, soggy
Lodgment- the act of staying in something
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Will the deserters keep or make their own signal fire?
Do the deserters stil have the desire to leave the island?
Will Ralph consider Piggy a useful person to work with because he gives him slight hope?
3. i found much interset in the line "he turned and trotted away and after a moment they followed him obediently" this line seemed very pivotal and significant to me in that we really see some key change in the wants and direction of the people. The word obedient is used and is saying to me that they, without hesitation chose Jack's society. this makes me wonder how important the idea of rescue is to them. im thinking that they have turned away from their old lives and began to think of the island as their life. Im not sure if this thinking is better than that of Ralph but certainly at times, it seems more rational.
1)usurp-to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right
ReplyDeletedemure- characterized by shyness and modesty; reserved
fervor-great warmth and earnestness of feeling
2)a) What is the "fun" that the Lord of the flies claims they will have on the island?
b)Has Jack just completely forgotten abut getting rescued and now only thinks about recruiting boys to fight Ralph and Piggy?
c)With it now being only Piggy and Ralph and no one else to disturb them, will they have a greater chance at getting rescued?
3) One of the lines that stood out to me was "He was vexed to find how little he thought like a grownup and sighed again. The island was getting worse and worse."(139). This, I thought was significant because it once again showed the dramatic change in character of Ralph from beginning to end. Before Ralph was more determined and would not be hesitant to call the boys out for not doing their duties. Now, Ralph is realizing that order is disappearing on the island and blames the island as getting worse and worse, as opposed to the boys.
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-Demented, adj: driven to behave irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement
-Furtive, adj: Attempting to avoid notice or attention, typically because of guilt or a belief that discovery would lead to trouble
2)
What significance lies in the fact that Jack and his hunters killed a pig while she was suckling her piglets?
Why don't any of the boys speak up in the meeting to give support to Jack, when almost all of the biguns go with him anyway?
Why is Simon experiencing a mental breakdown? Also, what is the significance of having one of the most sensible characters in the book to be the one to have the first major breakdown?
3)
"'Right up her ass!'" (135)
This quote, of all the important things said and done in chapter 8, especially stood out to me because of its timing, reception and how blatantly it is stated. Roger says this as he pulled his spear out of the pig he and the newly formed group of hunters just killed. This is important because it shows a complete lack of remorse on Roger's (and the whole group, because they cheered him after he said it) part after having killed a pig whilst she was suckling her own babies. I also think this quote exemplifies this new group's attitude; its kind of like they are sticking a middle finger up at Ralph, Piggy, and the littluns, as well as to the notion of a having a civilized society. Is this new group going to completely turn its back towards civilized society? If it does, what will the effects be?
Tremulous- nervous or shaking
ReplyDeleteDerisive- sneering,mocking, critical
Uproariously- Loud and full, boisterous
What made Ralph decide to listen to Piggy?
What causes simon to hallucinate about the pig?
Why is Ralph so scared to go after the beast?
The quote i chose was "For the first time on the island, Piggy himself...knelt down and focussed the sun on the tinder," I choose this because I believe it is a significant turning point for Piggy and all of the boys. Until this point, Piggy has always been been bullied but now he finally feels safe enough to willing light the fire, which he was forced to do until this point. It is also extremely significant that for the first time, Ralph and the group actually listen too and appreciate a suggestion made by Piggy. I think it is really relevant that Jack is not there because Jack is so conceded and inclusive that good ideas from Piggy are ridiculous to him. He has a extremely strong presence and can easily overrule Piggy's comments with a condescending joke. Now that Jack has removed himself from the group the environment is slightly more welcoming and understanding. Hopefully from this point on Ralph will respect the opinions and suggestions that Piggy contributes to the group.
-Maud Rush